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governor wes moore. why he issued a pardon for thousands of marijuana convictions. and the nation's top doctor calls for tobacco style warning labels on social media. his urgent health alert as the 11th hour gets underway on this monday night. >> good monday evening once again. i'm stephanie ruhle and we are now 141 days away from the election. and president biden's campaign is putting donald trump's criminal conviction and his other legal problems front and center. >> in the courtroom we see donald trump for who he is. he's been convicted of 34 felonies, found liable for sexual assault, and he committed financial fraud. meanwhile, joe biden has been working, lowering healthcare costs and making big corporations pay their fair share. this election is between a convicted criminal, who is only out for himself, and a

president who's fighting for your family. >> i'm joe biden and i approve this message. >> that ad is part of a new $50 million pushed by the campaign. it could be a preview of how president biden will go after trump's criminal conviction in the first debate, which is scheduled for just 10 days from now. the president is also warning voters that if trump is elected he could pick two more supreme court justices and that would cement a conservative supermajority on the highest court in the land for more than a generation. that warning came during a star- studded fundraiser in l.a. over the weekend and the president had plenty to say about the current state of the court. >> the idea that if he is reelected he's going to appoint two more flying flags upside down is really -- i really mean it. >> could this be the scariest part of all of it? >> i think it is one of the

scariest parts but look, the supreme court has never been out of filter as it is today. >> with that, let's get smarter with the help of our leadoff panel tonight. my friend john allen is here, nbc senior national politics reporter and yamiche alcindor, washington correspondent for nbc and former new york prosecutor and civil rights attorney charles coleman jr. john, this new ad is a lot more aggressive than what we have seen so far. wife is the campaign making this choice and why now? >> there are two messages that this campaign, the biden campaign has to communicate. you're seeing both of them in the sad. number one, that donald trump is unfit for the presidency, and number two, that joe biden is actually working to get things done for the american public. that's there wording. but i think it would be -- political malpractice for joe biden's campaign to leave donald trump's convictions on the table and not go after them.

number one, the biden base is going to be energized by that. that's going to get them excited. they've been waiting to see their candidate get a little tougher. and in order for joe biden to win over persuadable voters, and we have not seen this movement yet, is going to have to make the case that donald trump's convictions in the criminal court and with the finding of liability for sexual assault are something that independent voters make a decision on. obviously is not the only thing they're going to make a decision on. the economy is number one, according to voters of all categories and classes but this is part of the argument biden needs to sell to those persuadable voters that they simply don't want a convicted criminal in office. all the things that he says in that ad, all the things that his campaigns is in that ad were true about donald trump, which makes it unusual for a political ad. >> yummy's, this ad is titled character matters but donald trump's character has never mattered to any of his voters, not since the day he went down the escalator in trump tower.

>> what's interesting here is that the biden campaign is really trying to appeal to the persuadable voters that jonathan was just talking about. this isn't about obviously appealing to the people who were excited when donald trump came down the escalators and said a number of things that people found to be reprehensible about immigrants, about other americans across this country. they're trying to get to the voters that may be still looking at this race and saying i'm not sure who i'm going to go with, and i talked to a lot of those voters. some of them are so-called double haters, people that we really talked to who don't want to see a rematch at all. but when you sort of dig in with those voters it comes down to, well, which one of these people do i like the least, and that's probably not going to be the person that i'm pushing. so here you have president biden making the case about the economy but also really not just talking about the criminal convictions but also talking about the idea that donald trump has been found liable for sexual assault, the idea that he had financial fraud in his

background, really trying to tear at the character, not just the fact that he's a convicted, will be a convicted felon if he sentenced and when he's sentenced, but also that he's someone who has sort of sold with a would consider, the biden campaign, to be a lie that he's a good businessman, which is what you hear from a lot of voters who are interested in donald trump or even people who are in undecided or saying donald trump is good with business and there is joe biden trying to make that art in africa this is really something that i think to appeal to the people that are still on the fence, even as we are getting closer and closer to the election, stephanie. >> i'll make that correction for them. donald trump personally and professionally is not a good businessman, but for certain business people they believe he is going to provide them with policies that they like for their business. but all of them know he's not a successful business person. charles, you heard jimmy kimmel say at the end of that clip, this is the most important thing and he was talking about the supreme court, where the president is urging people to understand that trump in a second term could choose two more supreme court justices that are conservative, giving them a super majority on the

highest court in the land for a generation. can you help us understand what that would mean for our country? >> stephanie, conservatives have figured out how to weaponize the supreme court and the judiciary to enact their agenda pretty much at every level, so when you're talking about things like the heritage foundation's project 2025, for example, the only way that that has actual peace, even if democrats in congress seek to legislate against it, is if the supreme court and other people on the bench are going to uphold that as law. if they're going to allow that to take place. so when you talk about extending the already conservative super majority on the supreme court, that's what that looks like. it becomes a weapon for the right to enact this agenda and to remain ironclad regardless of what congress does. so this is why this is so important. i think jimmy kimmel was right in terms of bringing that up because what you're talking about is giving the teeth to the actual ideas, the ideology of what we are seeing from the

right and being able to survive in a way that's very problematic and the supreme court even tipped further to the right in a conservative way, we could be in big trouble. >> the supreme court is not a typical kitchen table topic for most voters but obviously the impact of the supreme court that's that conservative for the foreseeable future is huge. how does the president get the american voter to understand that? >> this is very much an issue for the biden base. it is something that i think those persuadable voters we've been talking about in swing states are going to pay a little bit less attention to. we heard a little bit of hyperbole there i think from the president saying that the supreme court is the most out of kilter that it's ever been. we have a history of some pretty terrible supreme court decisions, whether it's talking about dred scott, plessy versus ferguson, on and on and on. but i think the president's point here that whoever is elected president may have an opportunity to make one or more

selections, of course we don't know what the future is for samuel alito or clarence thomas, both of them younger -- >> they'll be fine -- >> and joe biden. what i mean by that is we don't know that they are necessarily going to retire. we don't know if other justices might retire. it could be zero, it could be nine but the point joe biden is making, and stephanie, i'm sorry to cut you off there but the point joe biden is making is salient with democratic voters, which is that they have seen what the supreme court has done since donald trump made history appointments, including the repeal or the overturning of roe versus wade and many other decisions that they don't like, whether you're talking about the bump stock band that got overturned or you're talking about some very pro- business decisions this court has made. >> and you did not cut me off, john. i rudely interrupted you. one week from today is the second anniversary of the dobbs decision that obviously overturned row. i know you have some exclusive

reporting on the biden campaign's plans on reproductive rights, what they're going to do going forward, what they're going to tell us. what should we expect? >> that's right. i got these exclusive details and it really is the biden campaign leaning in on this issue. on the weekend going up into the dobbs anniversary and on that monday of the dobbs anniversary, what we're going to see is something, more than 30 events across this country in battleground cities like detroit and philadelphia. they're also going to have new ads out telling the personal stories of women who had health scares or health crises related to abortion resurgence. they're also going to be holding what i think is really interesting, in person and online storytelling training, so they're going to be really trying to reach out to voters and volunteers and say if you have a story where your life was put in danger, you had a sort of striking thing that happened to you because of an abortion restricted, we want to hear from you and we also want to train you how to talk to your family members and your communities about that issue.

another thing we're going to hear over and over again is what, despite the fact that former president trump has said let's leave abortion to the states, he said a bunch of other things, too. the biden campaign, though, is going to be saying donald trump is elected he cannot be trusted, that republicans will be pushing for a national ban, which is really scary for a lot of people. i talked to a woman named caitlin kass who had to leave the state of texas to get an abortion after the baby she was carrying had a birth defect and she told me she's really scared of this idea that a federal ban could go into effect sever messages going to be to those battleground states and especially women who might feel like they're seeing places like california and new york. she's going to be saying, look, if donald trump is elected you won't be safe because he could do something nationally, stephanie. >> charles, let's move back to the supreme court because republican and donald trump supporter byron donalds of florida is encouraging the supreme court to step in on trump's criminal conviction. can you explain to our audience and to the congressman and to former president trump and our viewers, that's not how any of this works. the supreme court doesn't tap in and fix this. >> you know, stephanie, i

suppose that there is possibly a reality that exists where i can appreciate byron donalds going as hard as he can to try and become donald trump's vp pick but showing yourself as having absolutely no knowledge of how our actual government works is not the route that i can support. this is not a starter anywhere. donald trump was convicted of criminal acts here in new york state, in new york city, in a local court. the supreme court is not just going to tap in, in this issue, absent a controversial question that deals with the constitution and has standing and is ripe. none of those things are here. the parties have not appealed this to the supreme court. it would have to go through several appeals before it got to the supreme court, and for anyone who's out there and wondering, this is not a partisan issue. recall, jack smith tried to get the supreme court to jump the line earlier when we had

conversations about the presidential immunity decision, and the supreme court declined to. why? because that's not how it functions. this is not even something that, generally speaking, would fall under the purview of the supreme court, absent an appeal which brought up an issue that would sit before them. so again, while donalds maybe wanting to play nice with donald trump so that he can gain favor to become his vp, none of this is how government functions and for him to be a member of the house of representatives and saying this is an embarrassment to government and how democracy is supposed to actually work. >> charles coleman taken us to school tonight. john, i want to go back to something you mentioned a moment ago. we saw the court's impact when it overruled the bump stock band but you wrote that was always the plan of donald trump anti-gun lobby, and it's amazing because i think back to

when he did something on bump stocks and so many people said, like wow, maybe he's not beholden to the nra. maybe this is something that could be good for most americans. explain this to us. >> i think it's really important, stephanie, to go back to that moment in time. there was such public outrage over the las vegas shooting and this device that basically allows a semi automatic weapon to be converted into an automatic weapon, to fire like an automatic weapon. donald trump had a choice and his choice was do-nothing and please the hard-core gun rights activists or to legislate and basically go through a process that might have resulted not only in banning bump stocks permanently but also potentially more gun control legislation. every time we see a poll we know the american public is overwhelmingly in favor of more gun restrictions than we have now and what trump chose was a third path, the one that was laid out by the national rifle association, and what they said was use the atf to create a regulation that bans these bump stocks and the nra knew full well, in fact, in their statement they pointed to this question of does the semi automatic rifle actually convert into an at automatic

rifle which clarence thomas cited in the majority opinion. they knew full well that there was a very good chance the supreme court, particularly one with more conservative justices on it, would decide that the bump stock band by the executive branch for that regulation rather than legislation would get knocked down and that's exactly what we saw happen. sometimes it takes a long time for a plan to come together, but in this case, donald trump and the nra eventually got it seven years after the original tragedy. >> translation, trump was never going to stray from the nra. john, your niche and charles, always good to see you all. when we return, a historic mass pardon. maryland governor wes moore is here to talk about his forgiveness of thousands of marijuana convictions. and later, with just 10 days to go before the first residential debate, we've got new details on what to expect. here's a clue. the circus went becoming to town. the 11th hour just getting underway on a monday night. ay

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wes moore this afternoon, he for gave 175,000 marijuana convictions in what is now the country's largest act of clemency. governor moore joins me now. governor, thank you so much for being here. this was a very big decision. why did you do it and why now? >> because this is what fairness and justice looks like. we voted as a state that we would actually have a recreational cannabis market by over 70% that the state voted for this, and over the process of the past year and a half we have rolled out what many call the most not just equitable but also the fairest cannabis rollout, recreational cannabis rollout in this country, where we have 174 new social equity licenses, new owners and new distributors for this new cannabis market. but i also know this -- you cannot celebrate the benefits of legalization if you do not

deal with the consequences of criminalization. it's not fair and it doesn't work that we have now a multibillion-dollar burgeoning industry around the country and we have people who still cannot get student loans because of canada's convictions, that we have people who still cannot get mortgages because of a misdemeanor canada's conviction. i was with one person today during the announcement, a gentleman named shiloh, who has a misdemeanor canada's conviction from years ago, who got a new job and was fired on the second day because he couldn't pass a background check because the only thing he has on his record was a misdemeanor cannabis conviction. that's not fair. and so this was a very important day, not just for individuals like shiloh and not just for families like his, but it was a really important day for our state. it was a really important day that says the state of maryland, we do big things

because we are not afraid to confront our past and we are not afraid to write our wrongs. and this was an important statement for the state to make. >> governor, let's talk about who gets convicted, because a state report found that in maryland white people use marijuana more but black people are twice as likely to be arrested for it. how does over policing factor into this conversation? how does this happen? >> i'm a kid who i had handcuffs on my wrist when i was 11 years old because i grew up in communities that were over policed, and we knew it. we knew that cannabis was used as a cudgel against particularly communities of color, particularly black communities, and it's not lost on anyone in the state of maryland that if you look at the 24 jurisdictions that make up the state of maryland, of those 24 jurisdictions, if you just take a look at three of them -- baltimore city, baltimore county and prince george's county, 3 of the 24, those three jurisdictions made up 50% of the cannabis convictions. three jurisdictions of 24 and

those three jurisdictions just happened to be majority black and majority communities of color. this was not accidental what's happened and truth is the war on drugs and how cannabis was used as this cudgel was also something that has had absolutely disastrous impacts on communities of color for a very long time. so if you want to have an economy that actually grows, if you want to have gdp that actually flourishes, if you want to have a state that's competitive, you need to make sure you have an economy that it can actually be inclusive and the economy that is participatory, and that means we are moving the barriers that continue to stand in the way for people to be able to participate in the economy and that includes things like these misdemeanor cannabis charges where we have people been held back for something that is no longer even a crime. these are the type of things that people want to see from their leaders. >> it's now legal in 24 states

and the district of columbia. at this point you just said it is a widely accepted recreational drug. what do you say to the states that haven't legalized it and why do you think they haven't? >> i think four states that haven't legalized it, i would say this -- listen to your people. listen to the people of your state. because if you did what we did in the state of maryland, which is actually put it to the people, i think you're going to get a very similar reaction to what we got in our state where 70% of our state said yes, we think this should be recreational. yes we think we should decriminalize this because there's no point in using resources nor law enforcement's time to be able to condemn nor arrest our way out of this, out of this larger challenge. so i would say for the states that have not gone through this process yet, that if you actually just spend time in your area, listen to where your people are on this issue, you'll actually get to a similar type of conclusion. and i think we saw with the

biden administration where just recently the bided administration mooted finally from scheduling to a schedule three drug because it did not make sense having cannabis in the same category as heroin and other synthetic drugs. it's not real. it's not fair. and i'm really proud that the biden administration has made a move on this, and i'm really hopeful that other states can also work to right these wrongs and make sure they're dealing with individuals who are dealing with these misdemeanor cannabis charges that should not have to make every sentence a life sentence in the way that we are addressing this. >> there's also the argument that legalizing weed could offer a new source of tax revenue. you just talked about all the new licenses in the state. i know it was only a year ago that you voted to legalize it in maryland but have you found that these business opportunities have helped your economy? >> absolutely. i found that not only has this been able to help the economy, it's been helpful in even doing things like addressing the racial wealth gap. so if you look at the racial wealth gap in the state of maryland, the state of maryland had an eight-1 racial wealth gap when we came on board and

we knew that wasn't because one group was working eight times harder. there are systems that have been in place that caused this. there's things like unfair appraisal values and historically redline neighborhoods. there are things like the homestead act. there are things like the unfair usage of the g.i. bill and there were things like how cannabis was used as this larger punishment tool. but now that we have an opportunity where you have this new burgeoning industry, a multibillion-dollar burgeoning industry, we were intentional about putting an equity lens to this. and that's why when you look at the first applicants that we had to be able to receive licenses in the state of maryland, there's 174 licenses that have been issued, all as social equity licenses, the first of its kind in this country. so maryland is really leading on this issue, as well, because if you really want to create pathways to work, wages, and wealth, and if you want to create pathways for a real ownership society, that means

being able to open up the aperture for people to be able to participate in these kind of growing industries. >> it is a new kind of going green and it is great for the state of maryland. before you go, governor, i do want to ask you about this -- you have been advising the biden campaign. there is new reporting today on black farmers down in the state of georgia that are souring on him and some new polls are showing that he's dropping with black voters in important swing states like michigan and pennsylvania more than he was in the last election. what do you think is happening here? >> i think to win black voters you've got to go learn it. and i don't care who the candidate is. i remember there are members of my family who i had to go convinced to vote for me. it's not because my family and i are in school. it's because there are members of my family who hadn't voted, who don't feel connected to the system, who don't feel connected to the process. and i think any candidate who wants to earn african american voters, you better go make your case. but i think that's exactly what

the president is doing. it's why the president was in wisconsin. it's why the president -- it's why i was in pennsylvania with the president just a week ago. it's why the president has been spending time in georgia and all the other battleground states and in communities and it's why the president is actively doing the job. you know i remember when we had to deal with the issue of the collapse of the key bridge, the deadly collapse of the key bridge. i remember my first phone call from the white house came at 3:30 that morning when the president said, you know, guv, we're going to be with you every step of the way. the thing that i want the communities to know, and the reason that i'm campaigning so hard on behalf of the president, is because i know what kind of partner i have and i know what kind of results that he's been able to drive, the lowest employment rate, african american unemployment rate in the history of this country, watching the number of new dismisses started by african american men, the largest amount of starts in 30 years, a 60% decrease in the racial wealth gap. he's got results, not rhetoric. he's got a plan and not

propaganda. and that's why i'm in such support of the president and that's why i will continue campaigning on behalf of him to give him another four years. >> well governor, you were in pennsylvania last week. next week you'll be in colorado. i will join you there and i assure you we have a lot more to cover. great to see you tonight. thank you for joining us. >> so good to be with you, always. thank you. when we return, a mute button and no audience. we've got our hands on the rules for the first presidential debate when the 11th hour continues. th hour co. plateau de fromage! [cheering] oh la la! [cheering] don't panic. gift easy with gift mode, now on etsy. if you have chronic kidney disease you can reduce the risk of kidney failure with farxiga. because there are places you'd like to be. farxiga can cause serious side effects, including ketoacidosis that may be fatal, dehydration, urinary tract, or genital yeast infections, and low blood sugar. a rare, life-threatening bacterial infection in the skin of the perineum could occur.

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i'm not going to answer the question. >> why won't you answer that question? >> the question is -- >> radical left. >> you shut up, man? >> here we are, back again. president biden and donald trump will be back on a debate stage in 10 days. and the organizers just announced the ground rules to avoid moments like the one we just heard. debate host cnn says microphones will be muted unless it's a candidate's turn to speak. also, no props and no in person audience. here to discuss, chuck rocha, new york times opinion contributor, cohost of the latino vote podcast and president of solidarity strategies, and msnbc senior political analyst matthew dowd. he's a former george w. bush strategist and number of country over party. matthew, what do you think of

these debate rules? are they going to make any difference? >> i think a couple of things set this up better for joe biden than it does for donald trump. and first is -- i'm sure we'll talk about it -- his donald trump seems to be raising expectations for himself while simultaneously lowering the expectations for joe biden, and that has actually the opposite of what you should be doing in advance of these debates. but to me the rules and these debates are one, going to make it a better debate for everybody is without audience interruptions, without donald trump's sort of chaotic shouting that he does in the debates, it should be real conversation, and donald trump, as you know, stephanie, in his life, is not good at conversations. he's good at audiences, big audiences, and sort of doing his shtick that he does. but actually in a conversation with the moderators and then joe biden, i don't think he's good at that. said to me, the expectations that donald trump has raised himself and the rules i think

position joe biden much better in this and donald trump. >> okay, then given all of that, chuck doesn't it surprise you, or i shouldn't say doesn't it, does it surprise you that trump would agree to these terms? his circus is not welcome in this venue. >> i'm with you 100%. there's one rule -- i've done presidential debate prep and there's only one rule and that is don't get mad. you saw it and i think we're going to talk about it, in the first debate last time he acted like a crazy man, he's in there screaming and hollering. one of the things that's really different in this debate is there's going to be a mute button and i cannot wait to see how the mute button is really enforced here. and the second thing is you get one pencil and one pen but i haven't seen yet in the rules if you can throw that pencil yet. >> but then, matthew, why would trump agree to it? we know the way trump operates is to stack the deck in his

favor and now he steps forward. i know that his campaign is dying to get him shoulder to shoulder in the same room with joe biden, but why on these terms? yes you said it best. it's going to be great for everyone, meaning the audience, but not him. >> it's interesting, to get delving into the mind of donald trump we might as well go into the multiverse and figure out what's happening there. it would be easier to do in this. i think it's ego. it's ego and i think they had an expectation that joe biden didn't want to debate, so i think they thought will hurry up and accept it and it's going to force joe biden to debate, and therefore it's going to be good for us because joe biden, in their minds they've convinced themselves of the sort of republican talking point that joe biden can't string words together, that he's too old and all of the sorts of things that they've convinced themselves of, no matter what, you know, reality you could show them in this. so i think it's a combination of ego and i also think they thought joe biden didn't want

to debate and they grabbed it as soon as they could, and i think to their detriment. >> he actually loves to fight. i want to ask you, matthew, because you always have to answer the republican questions, about senator tim scott. over the weekend he said that he stands by his decision to certify the election for joe biden. how is that going to work? i was pretty sure he wanted to be donald trump's vp pick and that's got to knock him out of contention now. >> you would think because donald trump kind of drew a line in the sand and said anybody that doesn't be completely obsequious to me and believes every lie i tell, then they're not going to be on the list at all. i don't know if donald trump, what his thinking and this is. as a political strategist, chuck can answer this as well in this, i think if i were donald trump, who i would pick is a younger woman to try to appeal to another generation, and then simultaneously he could have a woman that would campaign. to me, the odds on, to me if i

were picking would be elise stefanik, who is totally obsequious, will do exactly what he says, is a new generation and is a woman. that's what i think. political strategy-wise would be the smart move. >> i want to ask chuck something else. i want to share what trump said this weekend when he was questioning president biden's mental acuity. >> i took a cognitive test and i aced it. doc ronnie. doc ronnie johnson. does everyone know ronnie johnson, congressman from texas? he was the white house doctor. >> no. nobody knows doc ronnie johnson because his name is ronnie jackson. can you give us your reaction to this moment? he was trying to go after president biden's mental acuity and gets the guy's name wrong. >> he loves these iq tests. every time he's out there talking about them, like why are you talking about the iq test when you can't even look, i sound funny and i get it. i own that i sound funny but he

doesn't always sound like the sharpest cookie there and i'm not running for president. i just a dumb political consultant. he wants to be president of the united states. and back to matthew's point, i think women in this election are probably coming to determine who actually is going to be the president, so he should be doing everything he can to look smart and women can see through a dumb man every day and twice on tuesday. >> those sharp cookies, they're not very tasty. gentlemen, thank you both for being here. you all know ronnie johnson, don't you? no. ronnie jackson. >> doesn't he play second base? didn't he play second base for the dodgers? >> he did. he definitely did. you know who wouldn't know that? donald trump. when we return you have seen warning labels like this on tobacco and alcohol. that's how serious this is. now america's top doctor wants the same treatment for social media companies. why he says it is a matter of mental health. go grab your kids smart phones. put them in a drawer. lock them and watch the next

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media. in the new york times the surgeon general writes the mental health crisis among young people is an emergency and social media has emerged as an important contributor. on today dr. murthy said adolescence average five hours per day on social media. >> when adolescents spend more than three hours a day on social media, we are seeing association with a doubling of risk of anxiety and depression symptoms. >> reporter: surgeon general murthy wants congressional approval to add a warning label on social media, much like the warning on cigarettes. research suggests texts, posts and online bullying can undermine kids self-confidence, especially body image, with some taking their own lives. >> many of them say that they can't get off it because the platforms are often designed to maximize how much time our kids are spending on them. >> reporter: the surgeon general recommends phone free zones at school and at home, during meals, the time and social gatherings, and kids should have no access to social

media until they're out of middle school. >> with us tonight, jonathan hite. he's a social psychologist at nyu's stern school of business and author of the number one new york times best-selling book. i urge you to read it, the anxious generation, how the great rewiring of childhood is causing an epidemic of mental illness. jonathan, when i saw this warning, this announcement from the surgeon general today, you were the first person i wanted to speak to is in the last six months, you more than any other public figure have been sounding the alarm about the impact social media has on our young people. what do you think of this move calling for warning labels? i mean i want to know, where were you when you heard the news, what was your reaction, how do you feel, what do you think? >> oh my goodness, i was thrilled. like a dozen people sent it to me this morning. i've spoken with the surgeon general.

he's wonderful. he wrote a book on loneliness. he really understands what american teens are going through. he had an advisory on social media, so it's just a logical next step to say, look, the evidence is mounting and it's clear this is harming children at a mass scale around the world. yeah, maybe we should have a warning on it that this is kind of bad for you, especially if you're a kid. >> kind of is an understatement. the surgeon general says the mental health crisis that young people are experiencing right now, social media plays a key role. do you think we would have this mental health crisis without social media? >> if social media were never invented or if all we had was the kind of stuff we had in the '90s, then i think it would be the numbers would be a lot lower. the rates of mental illness would be a lot lower. the number of suicides that are directly related to terrible things that happen on social media would be lower. social media is the largest single piece of it but what i show in my book in the anxious generation is it's not just social media. it's the loss of the play-based

childhood. boys and girls used to have childhoods where they spent a lot of time with their friends and that was true up through the 90s, then began cutting down. but it's really between 2010 and 2015 that this phone-based childhood rushes in so for the girls it's mostly social media. that's the worst part. but for the boys they were trapped p*rnography in videogames. it's not primarily social media for the boys so it's the move of all of life onto the phones and other screens rather than playing, talking, hugging, laughing, joking. kids don't laugh together very much anymore, especially not the girls, because they're not interacting in person. so it's many things. >> they don't hang out together. when you and i were teenagers i was crawling out of every window and door in my house to escape my home and now it could be a friday or a saturday night and they're sitting in their rooms, looking at their phones. and for the last few years we've heard parents say well, they're safer, they're at home now. they're not out there but are we not learning? they're much less safe at home because in died this phone it's a lot more dangerous than your

neighborhood. >> that's right. what i've argued in my book is that we have overprotected children in the real world, which has become increasingly safe since you and i were kids, and we have under protected them online, which has become increasingly dangerous since the 1990s. so if you have a 13-year-old daughter and you're afraid of sending her out into the world because you're afraid of sexual predators, and you b honest, where do you think sexual predators are? they're not out at playgrounds. they're all on instagram, where they can get photographs of your daughter to to. that's what they're doing, and we somehow think well, you know, this is just the way things are going. know it's not the way things -- i mean it's the way things are going. it doesn't have to be and that's what the surgeon general is saying today. he says it doesn't have to be like this. >> we are seeing there could be one creep in the mall when the internet is like a superstore of predators. do you think there should be a tobacco style warning label? is it as dangerous as tobacco? >> i think it's much more dangerous than tobacco.

and tobacco, so i don't know, when you were in high school, but in 1997 was the peak year of teen smoking .37% of american high school students smoked in 1997, which means two thirds did not. so cigarettes are somewhat addictive biologically but they're not addictive socially. whereas you look at any big class, 90% of the kids are on social media because they have to be. they don't have a choice. these companies are the most powerful companies in the world. they've taken over our children's childhoods. they don't have any response ability to care for them. they've been granted freedom for prosecution by congress. and they do whatever the hell they want to our kids, and what do we do? so yes we need a warning. we need parents to band together. that's the key in my book. in the anxious generation we say over and over again, as individuals we feel trapped and powerless if we band together a group of parents, parents of your kids friends, we are not just going to take

away the phones, we are going to give our kids back a fun childhood. we're going to let them hang out, yes, hang out together with adults without adults watching them. imagine that. if we do that then we reverse the mental health epidemic and we'll be raising mentally healthy kids. >> hanging out in basem*nts that don't mean they're staring at their phones or ipads, which is what they're currently doing. he's also calling for companies to share all their data on the health effects with independent scientists, people like you and the public. i can only imagine how many how much you want this information. how important is it to help fix the problem? >> i think the evidence is already clear that it's causing massive harm. now is there a way that we could gradually make this safer? yes. think about the auto industry. think about the faa. could you imagine if the airlines said to the faa, no, we're not going to share any data with you on crashes, that's private, it's proprietary? no way. what would happen? we would never get the incredible safety record that we get today. yes, i think that is a no-

brainer. these companies are harming our children at a massive scale, lovely. yeah i kind of think they have an obligation to share data with scientists and government agencies that are trying to improve this. >> do you think today's announcement will change things, honestly, given how powerful these behemoths are and how addicted we are? >> yes. i'm confident that it will change this and here's why -- a year ago it seemed hopeless and wherever i go parents would always say, people would say, you know, what are you going to do, you can't put the genie back in the bottle. social media is here to stay. this is just what the kids are doing. but now this year, and it began in february in the uk, there's a parents rebellion and it's spreading globally around the world because we are realizing we don't have to put up with this. we can change this so it was already like a rockslide.

it was already like pushing boulders downhill. this is not been a hard campaign for me. since my book came out inventory, all i have to do is say i think there's a problem in parents are like, yeah, we agree. we agree. yesterday agrees. we'll see. so the surgeon general's announcement coming in today, this is like the cavalry coming over the hill. this is the chief health officer of the united states coming in and saying terrence, you're not crazy. he has a beautiful line in here, the essay in the new york times. he says one of the worst things for a parent is to know your children are in danger, yet be unable to do anything about it. that's how parents tell me they feel when it comes to social media. that's the way we all feel and so him coming out and saying this is dangerous for our children, this needs to have a warning label, and now, of course congress is the one that has to make the rules here but he saying to congress i am telling you this is hurting our kids. start with a warning label and then keep going. >> let's go, congress. jonathan, thank you so much for your time. it is a pleasure to meet you. i can't wait to meet you in person and we can put the genie

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